Preselection in the Federal Government Has Gone on Too Long

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   It's time for this to be brought to the table and let the cards fall where they may.  I am a recent hire being "Onboard 4 years" an "Outsider" honestly working their way to achievement and have been knocked down by a Service Connected Veteran for a position that I had been working in for over 3 years and had been next in line as far as "Seniority, though this doesn't exist in the VA".  In comes the veteran with only 8 months at the job (plenty of time to get to know all of us and worm the way to promotion) and the ****ing up is incredible, everyone sees it.  I have heard, read, and now experienced for myself the ongoings in the Federal Government with preselection and am being descriminated against at this point unfairly and it's time that we, the non-veteran (My father is a WWII veteran and two of my four brothers are veterans, one is a Vietnam veteran, luv them and all those who are serving and who did serve and risk their lives) but that does not give you promotion keys.  I am a disgruntled Federal Employee. I am not going to listen to all the garbage about, you will never win..this has been going on for ever..what do you think you can do about it..oh, God will bless you with something else, this was not meant for you, etc. I am standing up for the non-veteran Federal Employee over the preselection process happenings and I am going to bring about a change.  Thank you to all of you who know this road I am about to endeavor and know that with all the many pothholes, detours, passes, bridges, winding curves, lack of gas, price of gas and lack of money, and many ***ps, I know there is a straight road that leads to success.... I am heading there.   

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LWQualitiqs Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote LWQualitiqs Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Preselection in the Federal Government Has Gone on Too Long Posted: 09 May 2007 at 4:58pm
	It's time for this to be brought to the table and let the cards fall where they may. I am a recent hire being "Onboard 4 years" an "Outsider" honestly working their way to achievement and have been knocked down by a Service Connected Veteran for a position that I had been working in for over 3 years and had been next in line as far as "Seniority, though this doesn't exist in the VA". In comes the veteran with only 8 months at the job (plenty of time to get to know all of us and worm the way to promotion) and the **ing up is incredible, everyone sees it. I have heard, read, and now experienced for myself the ongoings in the Federal Government with preselection and am being descriminated against at this point unfairly and it's time that we, the non-veteran (My father is a WWII veteran and two of my four brothers are veterans, one is a Vietnam veteran, luv them and all those who are serving and who did serve and risk their lives) but that does not give you promotion keys. I am a disgruntled Federal Employee. I am not going to listen to all the garbage about, you will never win..this has been going on for ever..what do you think you can do about it..oh, God will bless you with something else, this was not meant for you, etc. I am standing up for the non-veteran Federal Employee over the preselection process happenings and I am going to bring about a change. Thank you to all of you who know this road I am about to endeavor and know that with all the many pothholes, detours, passes, bridges, winding curves, lack of gas, price of gas and lack of money, and many *ps, I know there is a straight road that leads to success.... I am heading there.

sbcroyts Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Advisor Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 187	Post Options Post Reply Quote sbcroyts Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2007 at 6:45am
	All I can say to you is GOOD LUCK! I am not a veteran, but I applaud all who are or ever were. However, I have seen multiple cases of the same situation you describe. I have no problem with veterans receiving additional consideration in HR related matters, but too often such preference is abused. I have my personal doubts that you will make any headway, but as a starting point, if I were you, I would focus on the Merit Principles 1 and 5. They are as follows: 1) Recruitment should be from sources that will achieve a workforce including all segments of society and selection and advancement should be based SOLELY on relative ability, knowledge, and skill after FAIR AND OPEN competition which assures that ALL receive equal opportunity. 5) The Federal workforce should be used efficiently and effectively Likely you might have a case against a specific personnel action where a veteran was appointed inappropriately, but to get the rules changed will take an act of Congress, if not God. Just as a side note, if the action you described was an �internal� action, veterans� preference does not apply, so you may have a little less ammo than anticipated.

Red223 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote Red223 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Jul 2007 at 7:37am
	Are you under a bargaining unit from the President Clinton days? Become a paying member....better yet become the Union Steward. If you let him do it first....your loss. To move up you need to show management skills and watch out for your people. Another thing I've found....get your face out there. It's a marketing world and you have to sell yourself. Any groups you could join? Medical? Take a college class. Volunteer for something....when people see your name in the paper...you are the one that isn't crying about not moving up....but making the Agency look reeeeeeaally good....people higher up will ask why you haven't been promoted yet....or someone else will offer to hire you. You'd get paid much more in the private sector...and sleep better at night with job satisfaction. So ask yourself....do you want to live longer? Then the VA may not be for you. It's a madhouse and everyone knows it.

grampi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 414	Post Options Post Reply Quote grampi Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Sep 2007 at 11:24am
	All I can say is good luck in your pursuit and that pre-selection is always wrong and should not be tolerated. It's hard to imagine how many jobs I've missed out on because of pre-selection (and I'm a disabled vet).

drlove Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote drlove Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2007 at 2:50pm
	I'm a retired, disable vetern and I agree that promotion should be based on merit. You will have a hard go at the system however, there is only one signature on the RPA cert that gave the promotion. I mean you need to either go after that person or get out of there. Good luck in your endevor!

Red223 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 379	Post Options Post Reply Quote Red223 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 01 Nov 2007 at 7:37am
	I know a guy that has a nice house. He invites his management over for parties on the weekend. At work he does nothing. Putters around and kills time. Doesn't do his job. He get's "Civilian of the Quarter" every quarter and "civilian of the year"...he even got sent to a "National Defense Transportation Association" meeting far, far, away where he got some kind of award. Uncle Sam paid him, paid his travel..everything. He still doesn't do a single thing at work. Throws some helluva parties tho for the bosses. Try that.

georgiaskeeter Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote georgiaskeeter Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Nov 2007 at 10:44am
	You don't have to be a vet, to have pre-selection. I was the best choice on a recent cert and the panel knew it, heck, everyone just knew I had the job, due to my experience and credentials. But the lady who was selected got it so she could continue earning her GS-11 pay, which was about to stop and revert to the current pay grade she was currently in, GS-8. She had been moved two years earlier to a lower grade position, because her supervisor then wanted to fire her, but the head administrator didn't want it on their record. So go figure, they do what they want when they want for who they want and be darn what someone else deserves. [This message was edited by georgiaskeeter on November 05, 2007 at 01:57 PM.] [This message was edited by georgiaskeeter on November 05, 2007 at 01:57 PM.]

BRACedtwice Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote BRACedtwice Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 8:43pm
	Well, you have to wonder how and why some things happen in the selection process. I lost my job for the second time through BRAC after 20 years. As you probably know, we are afforded a benefit called Interagency Career Transition Assistance Plan (ICTAP), which is a hiring preference at other non-DOD agencies. The whole idea is to get a displaced employee back into the system to not lose the experience and training that is so costly to the fed gov. An eligible applicant must still apply and qualify, but is given a ride up to the top of the cert. I applied at another local agency and used my ICTAP preference. The HR "specialist" never heard of it and ignored it. I have had to lead her through the entire process to the point that I feel that I'm now qualified for an HR position. It started out that they were ignorant, but now they're defiant and are doing everything possible to avoid following the requirement in the reg. It's been six months and no job offer. Now, they're saying that they may not fill the position. I have outstanding appraisals, many awards and accomplishments. I'm at my wits end. It's my job and they know it. The kicker is that my ICTAP eligibility has expired and they know that, too!!!

Inquire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 26 Aug 2006 Posts: 603	Post Options Post Reply Quote Inquire Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Dec 2007 at 10:30am
	Vets (the folks that risk their lives so that we can comminicate like this)have pretty much lost their preference (which I consider would have aclimated them back into the civilian workworld). A few months ago, I read a fed cir decision against vet, that s/he should have won and would have won if this was back in the day when gov took care of our service men and women. But now they can't even get appropriate and sufficient medical care............Judgment day should go real fast... if you know what I mean. Bahhhhhhhhh quote: Originally posted by georgiaskeeter: You don't have to be a vet, to have pre-selection. I was the best choice on a recent cert and the panel knew it, heck, everyone just knew I had the job, due to my experience and credentials. But the lady who was selected got it so she could continue earning her GS-11 pay, which was about to stop and revert to the current pay grade she was currently in, GS-8. She had been moved two years earlier to a lower grade position, because her supervisor then wanted to fire her, but the head administrator didn't want it on their record. So go figure, they do what they want when they want for who they want and be darn what someone else deserves. [This message was edited by georgiaskeeter on November 05, 2007 at 01:57 PM.] [This message was edited by georgiaskeeter on November 05, 2007 at 01:57 PM.]

eyeblion Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote eyeblion Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2008 at 5:38pm
	Bro, i feel your pain, but as others have stated get on with your life. . .it's not worth the anxiety. As mentioned, it's you against the good ole boy club. . .that's club management. Even as a union member, with the way the Republicans have beat down the power of the unions, you can only fight to a draw, at best. As stated above, management can do whatever, whenever they want. I've been thru 5, that's right, 5 brac's or RIF's and it all comes down to political power as to whether your installation will or will not be closed. You won't win this battle cause no one believes in unity anymore these days. CEO's, wall street, Republican backed business, sports owners, media owners, etc. run/own everything. They tell us what we want, what we need and when we want and need it. You would think with the advent of this media (internet) and cell phones, IM, etc. we the people would be more organized than ever, but just the opposite, we're more fragmented than ever. Don't even get me started on the religious right wing whacko's! Good Luck!