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    Posted: 12 May 2010 at 9:27am
Priority placement billets get filled. If no billets, those on the list who are waiting can risk unimployement.
Those considering retirement can be offered a deal to go.   When they go, jobs can be filled by someone affected by the Base Closings. Think about how much it would take in training and expense to get someone qualified to replace you. Chances are that you are worth at least $25K in the training and skills needed to do your job. Do if there were someone with many of those skills that you have acquired, and you are considering going out anyways - doesn't it make sense to offer the early out? Most people affected by the closeings have families.

It just seems like a Win-Win situation for all concerned. So why would the Base Commander of a Base that's staying open opt not to allow a VSIP Phase II partisapation for that base?     
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Because it costs money.  The ones eligible to retire will retire anyway.  Those that are not eligible to retire will transfer or risk unemployment. 
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Because it costs money.  The ones eligible to retire will retire anyway.  Those that are not eligible to retire will transfer or risk unemployment. 


I don't see where it would cost money if you consider that when you take someone who has done the job, is qualified and trained to do the job from the closing base, and placed in the position at the base that is staying open.

You are probably thinking of the $25K that is offered to someone for agreeing to retire and vacate the position at the base that is staying open. But when the day comes and the bases close with no more billets to fill because those people haven't yet retired - the result may be people from the closing bases either become unemployed or perhaps found work in another part of government or in the private sector. Many will not come back either if their quals have lapsed or they will keep their new jobs etc.

The ones eligible to retire may not retire because of a mortgage or car loan(s) or whatever.

Then later as retirements start to take place at the bases that stay open. The hireing begins, and the training, some of the aplicants may not work out or chose to move on. Lots of cost there. Gee -the government could have had someone already trained, willing and able. Probably someone with alot more time before retirement otherwise could have been Priority Placed sooner.
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Because it costs money.� The ones eligible to retire will retire anyway.� Those that are not eligible to retire will transfer or risk unemployment.�


I don't see where it would cost money if you consider that when you take someone who has done the job, is qualified and trained to do the job from the closing base, and placed in the position at the base that is staying open.

You are probably thinking of the $25K that is offered to someone for agreeing to retire and vacate the position at the base that is staying open. But when the day comes and the bases close with no more billets to fill because those people haven't yet retired - the result may be people from the closing bases either become unemployed or perhaps found work in another part of government or in the private sector. Many will not come back either if their quals have lapsed or they will keep their new jobs etc.

The ones eligible to retire may not retire because of a mortgage or car loan(s) or whatever.

Then later as retirements start to take place at the bases that stay open. The hireing begins, and the training, some of the aplicants may not work out or chose to move on. Lots of cost there. Gee -the government could have had someone already trained, willing and able. Probably someone with alot more time before retirement otherwise could have been Priority Placed sooner.
 
VERA and VSIP comes out of the command's operating budget, where unemployment and such does not.  As a commander, I'd rather pay a move bonus to keep an employee than VERA/VSIP to an employee who is separating.  With the move bonus, you keep the employee and if they decide to leave after the move, its voluntary and unemployment doesn't come into the picture.  Or, use the $25k to train and recruit a new employee, from the area you have moved to, and keep that employee long term.  There are very few instances where VERA/VSIP is a win win situation, which is why you don't see commands jumping at the chance to offer it.
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 VERA and VSIP comes out of the command's operating budget, where unemployment and such does not.  As a commander, I'd rather pay a move bonus to keep an employee than VERA/VSIP to an employee who is separating.  With the move bonus, you keep the employee and if they decide to leave after the move, its voluntary and unemployment doesn't come into the picture.  Or, use the $25k to train and recruit a new employee, from the area you have moved to, and keep that employee long term.  There are very few instances where VERA/VSIP is a win win situation, which is why you don't see commands jumping at the chance to offer it.[/QUOTE]
 
 
Ok, with the move bonus, that's great because they get to transfer - I get that. But what about after, when there are no more positions to fill because through Priority Placement Program the open bases are booked solid? You are suggesting that you would use $25k to train and recruit a new a employee from the open base area, when you could have brought an additional trained person(s) over from the closing base to the open base by allowing someone to retire at the open base with the bonus. You already have an employee in the system, trained and ready to go, who may not find a billet through (PPP) when the bases close.
 
I know that Commanders are not heartless, yet your reasons still are not clear to me. All I can figure is that those "Operating Budgets" must really be a concern to Commanders and the mission.
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The operating budget is the money the Commander uses to fund operations.  If he or she spends $25k on VERA or VSIP, that's $25k less that is available for day to day operations in the command.  Whether it is TDY money or office supplies, it makes a difference. 
 
If there are 100 people at a closing activity, 50 are in the zone to retire, and there are 60 positions open at the gaining activity, I see no reason to offer VERA or VSIP.  However, if there are truly not enough positions to go around, I would offer it. 
 
I've been involved in three BRAC moves, and each had positions to spare at the end.  Some employees didn't get to move exactly where they wanted, but that isn't a reason to offer them VERA or VSIP.
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Thanks Pick- when you put it that way it all makes sense. The $25K can be a problem when you have day to day things to take care of. I wouldn't have a problem not taking the $ 25K if I were offered an early out, but I don't think that it works that way. If it does please let me know. That would be a "Win - Win.

It is reassuring to know that you have done three BRAC's and can say that most get placed. Because my friend at Brunswick NAS will be faceing that whole Priority Placement thing and he only has ten years of seniority. His wife is winning a fight with cancer and they have a five year old.
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Originally posted by traveler56

I wouldn't have a problem not taking the $ 25K if I were offered an early out, but I don't think that it works that way. If it does please let me know. That would be a "Win - Win.
 
Not sure on that one - in the BRACs I have experience, most who left were in the zone for at least early retirement.

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It is reassuring to know that you have done three BRAC's and can say that most get placed. Because my friend at Brunswick NAS will be faceing that whole Priority Placement thing and he only has ten years of seniority. His wife is winning a fight with cancer and they have a five year old.
 
In the ones I have been through, CPAC bent over backwards placing people.  I have seen safety specialists placed as security specialists, admin specialists placed as safety specialists (using a very liberal interpretation of minimum quals based on some military service), and only one person not placed.  He turned down a position in his area because he didn't want to put up with the longer commute.
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 Not sure on that one - in the BRACs I have experience, most who left were in the zone for at least early retirement.

Pick, Thanks again for setting me straight.  Commanders can't do that type of a Win - Win when the budget gets impacted.  The mission must come first. That's the sensible thing.
 
With my 33 years Gov. Svc. I am just waiting on the minimum age(Zone?), and unfortunately for me that will not happen till 7 Months after September 15th., 2011.
 
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