ARTS IN UNIFORM

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   Wow, with a stroke of a pen, and now the General has us wearing are Military Uniforms, whats next?  But from reading the articles, it appears that the ARTS will wear the uniform and adhear to the standards, but receive no other benefits, as do the active duty. So how does this work, am I now incharge of the active duty military when I'm in uniform???  That should go over well. And when I'm off base do I still really have to adhear to the standards????  I'm not in any kind of status.  But the General will get his respect, but it's forced respect not earned.

[This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:00 PM.]

[This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:02 PM.]

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Civil10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 218	Post Options Post Reply Quote Civil10 Report Post Quote Reply Topic: ARTS IN UNIFORM Posted: 13 Sep 2007 at 9:25am
	Wow, with a stroke of a pen, and now the General has us wearing are Military Uniforms, whats next? But from reading the articles, it appears that the ARTS will wear the uniform and adhear to the standards, but receive no other benefits, as do the active duty. So how does this work, am I now incharge of the active duty military when I'm in uniform??? That should go over well. And when I'm off base do I still really have to adhear to the standards???? I'm not in any kind of status. But the General will get his respect, but it's forced respect not earned. [This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:00 PM.] [This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:02 PM.]

steven_gldmn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote steven_gldmn Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2007 at 11:49am
	Sorry Civil10, but I do not understand what you are talking about. Are you talking about civilian employees having to wear military uniforms while in dangerous zones in the Global War On Terror (GWOT)? Please explain.

Civil10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 218	Post Options Post Reply Quote Civil10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2007 at 3:02pm
	They want ARTS to wear the uniform every day of the week, like the Guard does. I just must of missed something when I signed up to be a Civilian. I did'nt know I was really enlisting all over again. So anyone wanting a Civilian Job, you better read into it, your really enlisting, but don't know it. But, is it going to kill me, no, but I'm in maintenance and I'm sure I will go through many sets of uniforms. And in a day where the Gov is trying to save money and limit potential targets of terrorism, where is the logic???? [This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:00 PM.] [This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:00 PM.] [This message was edited by Civil10 on September 13, 2007 at 07:01 PM.]

shiisa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 368	Post Options Post Reply Quote shiisa Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2007 at 3:04pm
	what is ARTS??

Civil10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 218	Post Options Post Reply Quote Civil10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2007 at 3:58pm
	Air Reserve Technician, a full time civilian, who is also a member of the Reserves.

NurseSue Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 51	Post Options Post Reply Quote NurseSue Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 2007 at 12:15am
	If you don't want to wear the uniform then get an non-military tech job. Think about it, part of your job requirement is to be in the reserve, so you knew it wasn't a "civillian" job from the get go. There are many many perks with being a military tech. And many jobs require a uniform, maybe if you gat a little more rank in the reserve you'd feel better about wearing the uniform?

Civil10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 218	Post Options Post Reply Quote Civil10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 2007 at 5:50am
	Good point, and true. But they should of did it from day one. And you missed the point, you talk about rank, I work at an associate wing. So now my manual working days are over, I now get to tell the active duty to get to work. So don't you see, I will wear the uniform, but only for show. [This message was edited by Civil10 on September 14, 2007 at 09:19 PM.]

ILDOD Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Advisor Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 178	Post Options Post Reply Quote ILDOD Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 8:18am
	I was an Air National Guard civilian technician in the mid eighties; I was a GS11 civil servant but had to wear a military uniform. The Guard facility was located on a Navy base so as a civilian I still had to salute Navy officers when I ran in to them, it was a little strange. Also the uniforms were very unattractive back then so I would have preferred to wear civilian clothes. More or less I felt like I was still in the military but with better pay and worse benefits. The good thing was that it was a real GS11 job so after about a year I was able to apply for and get a GS12 job with DOD. So starting as an Air technician was a great stepping-stone in to a long civil service career. I will be retiring in 9 day!

steven_gldmn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote steven_gldmn Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 15 Sep 2007 at 11:18am
	Can not ARTS also stand for Army Reserve TechnicianS? By the way, if you have to wear a uniform all the time, are the diffferences between civilian technicians, military technicians and active guard/reserve members being changed too? Please explain further if you can. Are all of these changes being made just in your unit/area or nationwide? Why are these changes being made? More background information please.

Civil10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 218	Post Options Post Reply Quote Civil10 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2007 at 6:53am
	I got it, I think, buck-did not understand, nursee-is stuck on ego, and ildod-wants me to use the ARTs to get in and and then get out quickly, got it.