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Poll Question: What would you chose before Sept. 15th. of 2011?
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    Posted: 19 Nov 2009 at 1:17am
I am wondering many would consider relocating to another base.

I work at Portsmouth Navy Yard in Kittery Maine and wondering why other bases arn't solisiting my base to accept those on the Priority Placement Program list. Seems unfair because we are hiring in many fields.

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The truth:  It's freezing cold up there.  My DH worked at the CNSY until it closed.  He got on PPP and now works at a NC installation.  If it floats or flies in the air, my DH can work on it.  The reason Portsmouth stayed open was purely political....and Strom Thurmond was on his last bb in his brain.  The CNSY drydocks were warm all year round.  Hugo was one setback compared to snow over half the year.  We tried and failed. Ouch
 
We purposely chose NC, because as long as Senator Helms was alive the "angel of death" aka BRAC would pass over NC. LOL And even after his death, NC is still on top as the most "military friendly" state.Hug
 
You also have to keep in mind the trades are something the young millenials are not interested in as far a career goes.  So repairing ships in freezing weather is not up their alley. 
 
My DH is CSRS, so we definately moved.  He is now ready to retire.  We may go back to Charleston, we may not.  It's still up in the air....as I work for Uncle Sam now and often wonder why I waited so long to work civil service.
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We're moving from nice and modern Crystal City to the murder capital of the DC area, Anacostia. Not excited about that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MT principessa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 2009 at 9:01am
sorry for you kevin.  Seems most of the folks on here are clamoring to work in DC and can't wait to get there.  They can have it.  You would have to drag me kicking and screaming to work there.  I love working at a small military installation on the east coast in south.  Good weather, 19 mile drive one way.  Low on the food chain GS.....great supervisor....good people to work with.  Since NSPS has bit the dust....I'm a happy camper.Smile   My son  Geek is getting ready to graduate from college and is looking forward to a career there just as my DH is ready to retire.   I have about 10 more years and I'll retire.  Couldn't be happier.
 
Traveler..thanks for your PM.  In the summer there is nothing I would love to do then spend it up there.  I am originally from New England, (western MA) and I do appreciate the good things.  However my former homestate is full of "moonbats" and I have no desire to go back there.  Charleston's loss was Portsmouth's gain.   Problem getting folks to work at the shipyard these days is lack of skilled labor.  The millenials are not interested...if they can't carry their electroinic tweets and twitters with them, it's not worth it.  And to actually do "labor intensive work"...surely you jest.  LOL   In the end, all BRAC's (no surprise) are political.  If the south remains the Republican stronghold, it can avoid future BRAC's.   It is what it is.  Count the number of bases closed in the north compared to the south.  The Chas mindsweepers were sent to Texas, really?  go figure?  A new base popped out of nowhere in Texas???  mindboggling. Wink
 
I for the life of me don't know what the attraction is to DC.  High cost of living??? Nightmare commute???  Crime????   Too many bosses????  I must be missing the good points. Confused
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Wink MT principessa: I can agree with some of your posts but disagree with the rest.  I agree that, except for increased chances at career progression, the DC area had little to no attraction for me earlier in my career.  The federal government (incl. the DoD) seems to go in cycles.  The offices I where I was employed prior to retirement were established during a period of consolidating quite a few military dept. offices into a single defense agency office which was located away from the DC area.  At that time, there was a move to reduce DoD employment in the DC area.
    In the last BRAC round, all of the offices performing the same type of function in DoD were approved for a move to a new building site at Fort Meade where they are supposed to be "co-located" but remain separate organizations.  Most of the offices to be moved were located in the DC/Baltimore metro area.  The two offices where I was employed are located in OH.  The actual moves are scheduled to be in 2011, after construction of the new building at Fort Meade is supposed to be finished.  While I would expect most of the co-locating offices' employees to move with the function next year (since they already live in the DC/Baltimore area), I expect only about 15-25 % of the staff at my old offices in OH to make the move.  Most of them have family ties to OH (& WV to some extent).  They are more likely to use priority placement to try to obtain positions at locations in OH, KY (I understand Fort Knox will be doing a lot of hiring since an entire Army command is moving there) or WV, rather than move to the DC area.  (NOTE: The DC area's reputation here is that it is a very expensive area to live in (with long/horrible commutes), poor schools in many areas and very expensive housing costs.)
     I disagree that the South will be protected from future BRAC actions by being a Republican stronghold.  If the GOP continues to be dominated by its southern members,  congress people from other areas  will put pressure to close bases in the South and keep as many of the remaining ones in other areas as they can.


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Buckeyeguy, I think we might work for the same type of agency as we are also being BRACed to Ft. Meade in 2011 and will be co-located as well.  Personally, I can wait to go to Ft. Meade as I live a half an hour from there.  Beats the schlep into DC.  Traffic around there isn't too bad, but they are adding 10,000 jobs to the area, so it's going to get a whole lot worse.  Luckily, telecommuting is coming online.     
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SleepyAzrael23: I think you missed part of my posting where I noted that I was talking about the offices where I was employed prior to my retirement (from DoD).  Are you employed by a CAF? If so, which one?  (The offices where I previously worked were DISCO and DOHA.)  I think that if the federal employees at my old offices were allowed to telecommute completely, i.e., never have to be physically present at the Ft. Meade worksite (other than maybe for occasional training sessions) many/most would continue their current careers with DoD.  (Whether any of the contractor employees currently at DISCO and DOHA would move to Fort Meade is doubtful since those positions are likely to be converted back to federal positions under the new "in-sourcing" policy.)
       (NOTE: My understanding is that the lawyers who now work from field offices of DOHA in OH and CA are going to be allowed to continue their careers by working from "home offices" after the field offices in OH and CA are closed as part of the consolidation/co-locating of CAF offices at Fort Meade due to BRAC.  (DOHA will continue to exist and will continue to perform some CAF-related functions, as well as some functions that are not CAF-related).)
      Of course, most also speculate that eventually the separate CAFs that will all be co-located at the new building at Fort Meade will be consolidated into one "big" CAF to handle all of the security clearance and related types of actions (public trust determinations, etc.) for military, civilian and government contractor employees/consultants of DoD.  If your office is a CAF, do its employees also feel that one big CAF will be the eventual result of the upcoming BRAC-related co-location at Fort Meade?
 


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Yep, I work at DONCAF.  We can do up to three days a week telecommuting.  The Army CCF can do up to 7 days every two weeks, I think AFCAF might be the same.  Around here we're still talking co-locating, but I doubt it will end up that way.  My theory is we will be one CAF some day, maybe umbrella-ed under DSS.   Now I think there will be separate departments for each type of customer, after all the Navy culture is different than Army, etc.   You right I did miss the retired bit.  :)
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Wink Azrael23: I agree that the co-location of the existing DoD CAFs at Fort Meade next year could eventually result in a consolidation of all of those CAFs into one big CAF but I could easily see it being put under a different defense agency than DSS.  Other possible parent agencies for this big CAF would  include DIA, WHS and NSA.  (NOTE: NSA is already headquartered at Fort Meade and already includes a second major function (under its second (& lesser known) name, the Central Security Service (CSS).)  I also could see the formation of the big CAF being accomplished by creating a new defense agency, possibly being called something like the (1) Defense Security Clearance Agency, (2) Defense Adjudication Agency, (3) Defense Security Clearance Service or (4) Defense Adjudication Service.  What do you or any other CAF employees think of those possibilities?
       By the way, any DC/Baltimore area CAF employees who would like to try something new in the field of adjudication, I recommend applying for some of the open positions at DISCO and DOHA that I am almost sure will be available after their move from OH to Fort Meade due to existing employees in OH deciding not to move to the DC/Baltimore area in order keep their positions by moving to that area with those offices' functions.  Believe me, adjudication of clearances for industrial subjects is a diifferent world from adjudication of government employees (military or civilian).  You would have some unique transferrable skills since you will still be involved with JPAS and would still be involved in reviewing/requesting OPM investigations (incl. additional investigative actions). 
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